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Equine Colours- The Cream Gene by Kholran Equine Colours- The Cream Gene by Kholran
Part 2.

The cream dilution and its effects on the three base colours, both single and double.
Part One: The Base Colors [link]
Part Three: The Champagne Gene [link]
Part Four: The Dun Gene [link]
Part Five: The Silver Gene [link]
Part Six: White Patterns [link]
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CocoBeanie Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Theses are awesome !!!!
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Kholran Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2013
Thank you :)
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CocoBeanie Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Any time !
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edenl83422 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2011
So... how is flaxen chestnut expressed and what genotype would it be?
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Kholran Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2011
Flaxen turns the mane and tail of a chestnut horse a light blond colour, much like a Palomino (like this: [link] ). In fact, some flaxen chestnuts are mis-registered or misidentified as Palomino when they aren't.

Flaxen is thought to be one of the few recessive traits, though it's still not 100% understood. For the purposes of HARPG, you'd probably be safe with "ee ff". Agouti could be any combination (aa/Aa/AA) since a red horse isn't affected by agouti, but a solid flaxen would test negative for all other modifiers and dilutions (dd, crcr, zz, etc).
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edenl83422 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2011
Ok that clears it up :P Thanks!
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EscyKane Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2010  Student General Artist
Cool! Its great that you are working so hard on that project!
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Mendokusee Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Epic! Thank you so much!
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mistyofmyheart Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2009
dont look at that lol [link] sorry!
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mistyofmyheart Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2009
I have a question so would [link] be a dark buckskin? his father was cremello(i think, he was white with blue eyes) and his mother is black. just asking cuz i gave up the search a long time ago. :) thank you
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Kholran Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2009
Looks like a Sooty Buckskin to me. If the sire was in fact cremello (or perlino), then all offspring would carry at least one dilute gene. He could also mask Agouti (which the mother did not carry if she was black), and that would explain why the offspring is bay-based and not black-based (smokey black).
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mistyofmyheart Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2009
hmm thank you very much. so you think the father had Agouti, because he came out sooty buckskin and not smokey black?
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Kholran Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2009
Yep..Agouti is the gene that makes a black horse bay (as it restricts the black to the lower legs, mane, tail, and muzzle). It's easier to consider Bay a base colour for the purpose of discussing the other genes, but technically the only two bases are Chestnut (ee) and Black (Ee or EE). Bay is Black + Agouti, Buckskin is Black + Agouti + 1 Cream, Perlino is Black + Agouti + 2 Cream, etc etc. A chestnut horse can carry Agouti, but since there is no black on a chestnut horse, it doesn't have any visible effect on the coat colour.
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mistyofmyheart Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2009
Thank you :D for helping me understand.
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Kholran Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2009
You're welcome :)
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fairybloom28 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
these charts are totally amazing :D love them but i have a question i have heard of of a coloring called Cremello Dun (aka. cream dun or linebacked dun) and another called Dunalino. and i was trying to figure out a few things.
1 about the cremello dun

is it possibly the cream gene and the dun gene together?
or whatever other combo?

1. about the Dunalino-

this one totally confuses me and i am having trouble looking them up cause they are apparently a rare coloring.
from the name i guessed Dun with Polomino together but i thought that maybe you knew different.
i read up on them a little and they are supposed to be a lite color on a bay or chestnut base or something it is confusing me i also probably should not be looking looking it up at 2 am but curiosity strickes when least needed.

i hope these are not to difficult cause they are a litttle out there XD
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Kholran Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2009
Re: Cremello Dun. Yes, you can combine Cream and Dun. Cremello Dun specifically would be a chestnut base, with two cream genes, and one or two dun genes.

Dunalino is Palomino + Dun (which would be chestnut + one cream + dun).

In the future, I might do one with the common "combinations" but I've got a few more to do first :)
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fairybloom28 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
oh sorry one more thing would they have blue eyes or dark eyes?
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Kholran Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2009
Single cream dilutes (palomino, buckskin, and smoky black) and combinations thereof generally have dark eyes, while double dilutes (cremello, perlino, and smoky cream) and combinations generally have light/blue eyes. But not 100% of the time ;)
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fairybloom28 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
ah i see thank you :D again :D
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fairybloom28 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you this was very helpful :D i really love these they clear it all up. i can't wait for the others :D thank you :D
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CriminalSpirit Featured By Owner May 28, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
These sheets are very helpful! I know a lot about horses but I havn't studied a lot on colors and genes :XD: and my lesson teachers before knew nothing about colors so they didn't help much :XD:.
Ok I have a few questions if you woulndn't mind answering them :XD:.

1.) Is there a such thing as a yellow dun or is that another name for dunskin?

2.) The differance between dun and buckskin. (Not bay, black, or red dun. Dunskin is what I'm talking about.)
Do buckskins have tiger stripes or can only duns have striping on the legs and withers, or are dunskins just always lighter like a buttermilk buckskin color? Like how can I tell the differance :XD:? (Sorry this is probably confusing but a example would be how could I tell the differance between a dun and a buckskin out in a field if they looked alike.)

3.) FIANLLY! lol, can buckskin horses have brown or chocolate colored mane and tail or would they then be considered a amber champange even! if they had a dorsal stripe?

Just tell me if i'm sooo confusing and I lost ya there :XD:
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Kholran Featured By Owner May 28, 2009
Well I'm not a complete expert but I'll try my best lol

"Yellow dun" is just another name for a bay dun, kind of like "Grulla" is another name for black dun, or "Claybank dun" is another name for red dun. Since bay + dun is the most common, it's usually just referred to by Dun, and only red and black are differentiated by base colour.

Buckskin and Dun are very very difficult to tell apart just by looking. There are certain traits that are attributed to dun (leg barring, cobwebbing/masking on the face, barring on the ears, frosting on the mane or tailhead, etc) but those traits are not 100% accurate- not all duns have them. Since they are caused by different genes (buckskin is caused by the Cream gene, dun by the Dun gene), you can make an educated guess if you are absolutely certain of the parents' colouring. For example, a palomino crossed with a bay will not have a dun foal...but a buckskin is possible. However if you don't know what colours the parents were, the only completely accurate way to tell would be to have the horse genetically tested for the Dun or Cream genes.

*Note: A Dunskin horse carries BOTH dun and cream, and would genetically test as both a dun and a buckskin.

Since the cream gene only affects black pigment in a double dose, a buckskin horse would not have a brown mane without the influence of something else. Horses can carry both champagne and cream, which could cause a Buckskin + Champagne mix (called Amber Cream Champagne), but that would dilute the body colour to a very very pale cream, rather than the tan colour of a regular buckskin. Silver can also act on buckskin or bay, resulting in a chocolate-coloured mane or tail, however it would also lighten the black legs to a brown shade.
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Rakshah Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2009
Thanks for this! I always get confused with horse genes; this is so helpful. :wow:
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Kholran Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2009
You're welcome :)
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